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and recording next a discussion with Mr

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Andrew Greenwood uh in connection with

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the West all sighting

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so we'll just uh if you don't want to

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sit down here

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I need a little bit more light that's a

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heck of a chair but I guess we can sort

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of right in here please

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I've read some of the material that uh

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Paul and Peter sent me so I know a bit

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thank you

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and where uh where is Weston uh West all

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is situated between Springvale and

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Clayton one of these places it's just at

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a high school a couple of shops at the

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and what what's the name of this is the

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West

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how did the whole thing unfold

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the sequence right from the beginning

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yeah well we're running back now it's uh

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I think the first thing I heard of it

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was I was teaching

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most unusual or another child is to run

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into the class without warning that's

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what happened

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girl raced in and he said she went with

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quick quick Flying Saucer outside Etc

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and

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all right got rid of her because I need

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to leave my class or anything oh you

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were in the middle class teaching a

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class yes oh she broke into this year it

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is

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normally do that too either

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no

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but she left and I was about to process

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will I wander out and have a look at she

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was the type that I thought well she's a

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defensible type of little girl and I

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thought

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I didn't really pay any attention to her

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but I'd want her out anyway and I went

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out and there must have been

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more than half the school about 300

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approximately

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boys and girls after school on the oval

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which is the buildings excuse me half of

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the half of the school amounts to 300 or

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300. approximately five six hundred in

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school

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face yourself

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and the object was still Airborne then

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oh yes yes

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but I never showed any states that it

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although some of the children say that

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they saw it played a bit I'll get the

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letters there

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well I think the first thing I can say

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is I reserved it the object that

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everyone was looking at it took me a

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while to see it at gray against the uh

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coming onto Autumn blue gray sky I

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couldn't see it immediately see what I'm

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saying it's there he blames us

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I finally picked up what they were

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looking at it was quite small in science

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it was well when I said well the only

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thing I've got to compare it against is

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later on there were some small aircraft

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Cessna size aircraft it was

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approximately two-thirds the length of

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one of those how far away were they yeah

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now they were about oh when when they

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were there when they were there it was

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they were sort of circling it they were

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oh they're not the answer signs

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of they have to purge

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so that's one of these land aircraft

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okay

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now it was just any stage to me

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and cigar shape

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cylindrical cigar shape except on

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occasions it appeared to bulge in the

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middle it's changing

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yes chained in this the best way I can

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describe this holder I might say Source

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I play I was played on edge and it looks

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straight across tip it slightly and you

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see it falls around the middle that type

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of effect I can't say that's what was

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happening

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it appeared to be you didn't have a

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distinct impression of whether that was

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the college I didn't know whether that

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was a cause or whether something whether

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it actually was bulging in the middle

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okay that's what it looked like

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right how far away do you think it was

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I don't know I've ever given a distance

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before just so that's probably more

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accurate than anything I can think of

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all I can say is that they were when I

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was standing it was about

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300 yards of Thailand

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so about

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all going on for a thousand yards

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more than a half maybe half a mile

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that would be when it was at its

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furthest distance from us

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okay the closest thing would have been I

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showing you uh you saw it there was a

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hovering motionless well it did several

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things it did hover at different times

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it seemed to be able to accelerate and

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disappear out of sight and then someone

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will see it over in another part of the

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sky through an apple I suppose some of

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the 30 degrees away from us in other

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words it moved considerable distance

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very rapidly

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as I've mentioned came towards us not

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that we could see it actually coming

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towards us but we can see that it was

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closer now than it was before

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it did Harbor as I mentioned go up and

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when it could move slowly

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but generally it seemed to hover or move

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really fast we did see it moving across

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and the next thing we noticed was the

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presence of one of these blank planes I

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one of the I like playing

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approached it

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try and move around with the object

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moved over to another part of the sky

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very rapidly playing quality over move

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back again we changed we're playing over

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then more than one of flames more than

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one plane arrived so at the end there

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were five planes there

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although as you probably heard maravan

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Airport tonight the

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presence of any plants they absolutely

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denied there are any planes in the air

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which is that the only possible airport

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moorabbin airport I think that it could

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be Moravian is very close it will be

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oh four or five miles away

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and the next one where any particularly

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five aircraft I mean obviously one black

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might take off from his back static or

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something but uh not five

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and I I really think it's the only FF

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airport that could be considered

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and you haven't a clue as to why this uh

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why they would deny uh particularly it's

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rather silly they would deny it and that

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if you ever go out near moorabbin there

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is never one spot during the day I drive

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past there several times a day and going

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back and forth between the two schools

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uh and different school now I'm

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attainable college and

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there is never a time when there's not

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planes taking off and coming in

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so I think it was rather a silly

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statement for them to make but at that

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particular time there were no planes in

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the sky

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which of course it could be

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and that's that's it just stands in that

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status now that there's no further

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verification of those planes no they

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absolutely deny that there were no

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at one stage disappeared behind a tall

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row of pine trees

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and from we would it would appear that

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it went behind and reasonably close to

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these pine trees

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now I'm just trying to think I suppose

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approximately 600 yards from where we

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vicinity

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to have a look and see if we can see

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lots of the kids of course left the

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fence

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which they were really reveal that for

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the Headmaster but we uh we went to we

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decided to see what we could find there

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were reports

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from the several groups of the children

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later on they've seen one of these

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typical Mists

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advocacy one myself

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it would be the perfect area to see one

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in lots of Long Grass

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I didn't see one myself although I

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looked around quite a while

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the aircraft came we had the aircraft in

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there but did it

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when that process go on for many minutes

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well I suppose if we count for 10

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minutes we might have to stress it was

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first seen as I said by this group of

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girls at a phys ed class who are on the

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over now of course it could have been

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there before they noticed it as I say I

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couldn't even notice myself

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so it was until you it's one of these

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things that once you see it then you go

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on seeing it you know what I mean but

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they're hard to pick up I think it was

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just the Silvery color against the sky

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and then after you shot how long was it

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in Saint now 10 minutes there and it

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disappeared

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now it went at the end of that 25

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minutes but it could have been there

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these are all these figures of course

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yeah I'm not sure exactly and why did

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they disappear well this is one thing we

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just don't know Spanish while you were

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all looking at it no it did one of these

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you know subtle accelerations and then

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nobody could pick it up again you did

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see it accelerated oh yes yes

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you can see it to accelerate

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and it went off so fast you didn't

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terminating for the aircraft's still

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there yes the aircraft was still there

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I can't remember what happened

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and then they were there then but I just

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can't remember what happened to the

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aircraft

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so we've got the there was it was cigar

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you know find this ratio

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information because of the things

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no sound no no nobody heard some sound

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now there were all sorts of reports of

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different things that one girl said that

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she'd sing the thing on the ground but

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Windows around if not the rest of it but

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I don't really know how much

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you can put in this story there were

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all right there was a report of some

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sound from it trying to think of it but

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only from one girl who was supposedly

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close to it I heard nothing and there

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was no Sounder here when we were all

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standing in a large group watching it

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but as I say lots of them jumped the

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fence and went off after it

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I only jumped I only left the bench of

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you mean it went behind the Grove of

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I'm trying to watch this race

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working out for 40 minute periods Plus

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that around nine o'clock

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but all right sir four four forties is

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160 minutes so

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that's 12 plus see

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460 that's three hours minus 20 minutes

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nine o'clock it's 11 40. oh I'm going

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noon recess no no it was morning morning

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good morning yes that doesn't sound bad

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right we started early or something that

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thank you

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morning recess

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but you worked it back there you came

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for your satisfaction yes it was it that

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it's been in half and then two period

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before it says in the morning and we

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started approximately nine o'clock

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it's a little bit earlier

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so it'd be um 10 to 15 so

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and recesses what about now it'll be 10

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15 or 10 45 which appeared about five

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minutes before the end of proceed

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were there any uh

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persons off the school grounds who saw

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it

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we never had any reports of this

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this is one thing that um was trying to

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see or find out about this we never

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could find anything how many teachers

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saw it all together the physique teacher

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said she saw something but won't say

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senior Englishman

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yes

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and the uh well this was about the

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Headmaster this woman or a man man

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what's his name thank you Sam will be

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yes I am b l e b l e

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s a m b l e b l e b l e

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I can't believe it

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and he's the one who seemed to be quite

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enforced by some pressures to keep

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things quiet or this is almost I think

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it was probably whether or not he was

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influenced by some pressures or not we

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know the Air Force came to the school

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whether or not anything I said to him I

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don't know because of his own religion

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uh

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I know he had a

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Special Assembly lunchtime because lots

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of the children were back late and

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sleeping events trying to look for it

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and um

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some people who believe anything

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words to respect

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and

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whether the air force center before that

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recess oh no no they didn't come till

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about two or three days and that

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couldn't have been blamed on the recess

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on the airport oh no no no I'm saying

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here we have a special assembly a

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Special Assembly at lunchtime careful

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to corrected at the assembly that we

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have we have an assembly in the morning

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and afternoon the assembly we had a

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special little

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you spoke about this particular incident

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s

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anything that didn't quite follow

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regulations

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I think from his his manner in other

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things you can explain his attitude in

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this case

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yeah

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well then the Air Force came and did he

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do did he reiterate these uh I'm not in

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school not to the school he just told me

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that uh an Air Force officer

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and been out of the school and I was

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teaching at the time and he told me he

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wasn't going to wrap my class every

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night and speak to them

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and uh

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get lost together again that they can't

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have had much time with him because I

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know I was very friendly with the senior

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master at the school of the sacrament of

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man and he said they were only in his

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office for very few minutes and Sam will

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this is all pure objective

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it's nice to have somebody telling the r

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double A F that it's a lot of nonsense

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and sending them packing that's a new

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version

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this is our own propaganda here yes you

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can get along

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okay what was that the main outlines I

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think so I don't think there's anything

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else you're presently teaching where at

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hate every College

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we had a great punished

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uh h a i l y

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c y b

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u v u r y r y

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what do you teach science and what is

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your uh what what channel do you now

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live what what where do you live now oh

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395

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Waverly Road

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all right

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it's a lot of witnesses

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oh well it would be the whole school

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which would be from 11. 11 year olds up

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to

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I've seen some 16 year olds that's

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three members of staff I think there

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were only three there may have been

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others but if they were they were also

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going to just shut up and not say

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anything

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I know they're working their work three

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at least

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think of

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there's the one because it amused me the

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most was the news isn't the word but

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intriguing we're having an airport plane

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one only has to sit beside moorabbin

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airports or the road that leads to

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decided and watch the Flames coming in

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and out and then listen to their plane

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that there were no planes in the air

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have you ever gone personally to talk to

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them no I haven't

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there are also contacted by to the

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Dandenong Journal took this up obviously

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looking out for that story is very

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interested and went out and saw them and

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so on sorts interviewed dozens of people

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on the street who lived there around

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sure

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well we thought so too although I must

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emphasize that there was this I you can

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I think believe this it probably only

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was my chance of a first person saw it

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and then someone else pointed it out to

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them and then we could all see it

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but if it wasn't pointed out to you it

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was hard to see uh against it it was

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purely the effect of the sky it was that

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no a bigger imagination or anything I

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mean we could see it no doubt about it

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and it looked real it was no

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um of course I've had to explain what I

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mean by this but it didn't look as

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though it was a reflection or anything

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like this it looked real

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yeah because one has no ways of deciding

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that something is real it's whether you

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get the impression that's real enough oh

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it's fascinating

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particularly in terms of the whole thing

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it would be fascinating anyway but it's

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even more fascinating perhaps it's just

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my perverse nature I think but if people

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try and hide things I want to find out

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too much

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people know if someone wants to hide

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curiosity killed the cat or something in

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my face but still it's just a

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tremendously fascinating yeah it's not

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very clear whether they're hiding they

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are just so confused that they don't

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let's not get ourselves in if we don't

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okay Andrew thank you very much